User talk:大天王皇子

Footage of a naval battle during the First Sino-Japanese War (1894)

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zh-1 这位用户的中文达到初级水平。 en-N This user has a native understanding of English. es-2 Esta persona tiene un conocimiento intermedio del español. wuu-1 箇位用户有基本个吴语知识。 fr-0 Cet utilisateur n’a aucune connaissance en français (ou le comprend avec de grandes difficultés).
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1 on babel refers to what i speak. i cannot write because i am illiterate

about your romanisation

Hello, as far as I know, romanisation is not allowed here beccause we dont have an official one. But in order to tell the prononciation, we use IPA system here. About the wikidictionany, you wanna make a Wu-English one or you just want to add wu translation to mandarin-english dic? Amor 2008年12月18日 （礼拜四） 13:29 （UTC）amor

New user name

Your account as been renamed, as requested on WP:CHU. Use 大天王皇子 as login. Your password has not been modified. May be will you need to manually reattach your SUL

--Hercule Talk 2008年12月18日 （礼拜四） 15:12 （UTC）

about zhuyinfuhao

well the problem is not political...its that wu is mainly used in wu region in mainland and we dont have the tradition to use zhuyin fuhao and nobody knows it, even it is a effecive way to spell. At the moment IPA is the best way...you know thru6 years we still are not able to have an agreement on which romanisation system should be used as an official one. Amor 2008年12月19日 （礼拜五） 09:29 （UTC）amor

request for deletion

Hello,

I have seen a page where you requested it to be deleted. You're lucky I've seen it ;）

To request a page been deleted you can:

• use {{delete}} （with the indication why you want deletion, in english （I don't speak wu）
• remove 'all content of the page （size become 0） （with the indication why you want deletion in edit summary）
• ask me on my talk page

Regards

--Hercule ^Talk 2008年12月19日 （礼拜五） 14:51 （UTC）

2000 years old text

Hello,

If you have other texts I deleted whereas it shouldn't, you can ask me to restore it.

Regards

--Hercule ^Talk 2008年12月22日 （礼拜一） 01:32 （UTC）

ㄇㄛㄣㄊㄧㄍㄋㄧ葡萄彈槍械

1. I had modified it a little bit and moved to Montigny重型葡萄弹枪械 on your request
2. I absolutely liked what you have been doing, please do not stop adding bopomofo
   this article is actually started by you——大仲马—— i could not get the bopomofo right 、
   and his son who has the same name：小仲马、
3. I can remember that when 吴语维基 was formed in 2006 -- there was a discussion about foreign names, the concensus then was （if not sure） to use English or French （transliteration if necessary）, so other people might help later, but i can not find the record of that discussion any more
4. there is a vocabulary called 《联合国译员口译词汇》 -- 《Vocabulary for U.N. interpreters》, you can find/download it online, that translates a lot of foreign words, although in Mandarin, that might help you to find ideas
5. also as an echo to Amor's comments about zhuyinfuhao -- as much as i know, in Wuu speaking region NOWADAYS there is no one who is both able and willing to TEACH it to younger generations, so it stays within the boundary of language academies。。。
   Happy New Year, and Good Luck and Keep writing !! 大西洋鲑 2009年1月3日 （礼拜六） 08:30 （UTC）

Shanghai dictionary

钱乃荣

• he is considered the top scholar for the dialect,
  we find :《上海方言词汇》（1991），
  《上海话语法》（1997），
  《酷语2000》（mainly explains slangs，excellent if you are interested in slangs like me，2001），

Good luck !! 大西洋鲑 2009年1月11日 （礼拜天） 11:56 （UTC）

Bopomofo

i am not enthusiastic about IPA at all - but it seems every body else here was convinced that is "the linguistic experts' choice

the reason i am also keen to learn bopomofo at the moment is that i am thinking one day i might need to get a job teaching chinese in thailand - and there are KMT sponsored schools there that teach bopomofo, you might know much better than me..

if you are so confident that BPMF can represent every possible syllable in wu, please keep this page （b4 its deleted） and proove you points by checking with some of the characters in the list.

at the bottome of J：a：m：e：s：：：C：a：m：p：b：e：l：l article there is the url for his page. i like every thing there except those 12 or 13 or 21 or 34 or 53 tune notes. what is that, i can not imagine how those syllables can be pronounced, Chieu chow has 7 tunes that's complicated enough - but there got to be a better way of marking those tunes

perhaps you can think about something one day !!? bopomofo might or might not be able to marke such complicated sounds （I think）.

yet that's only for Shanghainese, not the Wu as the bunch of a dozen dialects 。 。 。

i found the page last night from Mr. 吉姆斯•康普班勒's web page. BTW, i think you owe me 50 cents :）） any way, do not stop what you are doing, all is good ! i hope one day can see you develop a Wu sound noting system that better anything else !!

大西洋鲑 2009年1月12日 （礼拜一） 05:41 （UTC）

Matching up IPA and bopo

Initials

		Labial	Dental	Palatal	Velar	Glottal
Nasal		m	n	ɲ	ŋ
Plosive	voiceless	p	t		k	ʔ
	aspirated	pʰ	tʰ		kʰ
	slack voice	b̥	d̥		ɡ̊
Affricate	voiceless		ts	tɕ
	aspirated		tsʰ	tɕʰ
	slack voice		(d̥z̥)	d̥ʑ̊
Fricative	voiceless	f	s	ɕ		h
	slack voice	v̥	z̥	ʑ̊
Approximant			l	（j）	（w）	ɦ

RHYMES

monophthong			diphthong with unrounded onglide			diphthong with rounded onglide
pure	checked	nasal	pure	checked	nasal	pure	checked	nasal
a	ɐʔ	ã	ia	iɐʔ	iã	ua	uɐʔ	uã
ɛ	əʔ	əɲ	iɛ	iəʔ	iəɲ	uɛ	uəʔ	uɛɲ
ɔ	ɔʔ	oŋ	iɔ	iɔʔ	ioŋ	uo
i	ɪʔ	iɲ		iɪʔ		y	yɪʔ	yɪɲ
ø						yø
ɤ			iɤ			ɯ

ㄅ ㄆ ㄇ ㄈ ㄉ ㄊ ㄋ ㄌ ㄍ ㄎ ㄏ ㄐ ㄑ ㄒ ㄓ ㄔ ㄕ ㄖ ㄗ ㄘ ㄙ ㄧ ㄨ ㄩ ㄚ ㄛ ㄜ ㄝ ㄞ ㄟ ㄠ ㄡ ㄢ ㄣ ㄤ ㄥ ㄦ ㆠ ㆡ ㆢ ㆣ·

b ㄅ

p ㄆ

m ㄇ

fㄈ

d ㄉ

t ㄊ

g ㄍ

k ㄎ

ɦ h ㄏ

z ㆡ

v 万

ʥ ㄗ

dʑ ㄐ

ŋ 兀

ɲ 广

tɕʰ ㄑ

ㄘ ts

ɕ ㄒ

s ㄙ

i ɪ ㄧ

ʊ w ㄨ

ɥ y ㄩ

ɑ ㄚ

ɔ ㄛ

ə ɤ ㄜ

eɪ ㄟ

aɪ ㄞ

ɛ ㄝ

ø ㄦ

子音字は、漢語拼音の子音表記をそのまま置き換えるだけである。拼音の j, q, x （d̥ʑ̥, tɕʰ, ɕ） が g, k, h （ɡ̊, kʰ, x） の異音であることは利用されていない。普通話#声母を参照すること。

注音符号	ㄅ	ㄆ	ㄇ	ㄈ	ㄉ	ㄊ	ㄋ	ㄌ	ㄍ	ㄎ	ㄏ	ㄐ	ㄑ	ㄒ	ㄓ	ㄔ	ㄕ	ㄖ	ㄗ	ㄘ	ㄙ
漢語拼音	b	p	m	f	d	t	n	l	g	k	h	j	q	x	zh	ch	sh	r	z	c	s
IPA	style="font-family:Template:IPA fonts,sans-serif"|b̥	style="font-family:Template:IPA fonts,sans-serif"|pʰ	style="font-family:Template:IPA fonts,sans-serif"|m	style="font-family:Template:IPA fonts,sans-serif"|f	style="font-family:Template:IPA fonts,sans-serif"|d̥	style="font-family:Template:IPA fonts,sans-serif"|tʰ	style="font-family:Template:IPA fonts,sans-serif"|n	style="font-family:Template:IPA fonts,sans-serif"|l	style="font-family:Template:IPA fonts,sans-serif"|ɡ̊	style="font-family:Template:IPA fonts,sans-serif"|kʰ	style="font-family:Template:IPA fonts,sans-serif"|x	style="font-family:Template:IPA fonts,sans-serif"|d̥ʑ̥	style="font-family:Template:IPA fonts,sans-serif"|tɕʰ	style="font-family:Template:IPA fonts,sans-serif"|ɕ	style="font-family:Template:IPA fonts,sans-serif"|d̥ʐ̥	style="font-family:Template:IPA fonts,sans-serif"|tʂʰ	style="font-family:Template:IPA fonts,sans-serif"|ʂ	style="font-family:Template:IPA fonts,sans-serif"|ʐ	style="font-family:Template:IPA fonts,sans-serif"|ʣ̥	style="font-family:Template:IPA fonts,sans-serif"|tsʰ	style="font-family:Template:IPA fonts,sans-serif"|s
由来	勹	攵	冖	匚	刀	૓	乃	力	巜	丂	厂	丩	Ῠ	丅	㞢	彳	尸	日	卩	七	厶

注音符号	ㄚ	ㄜ	ㄧ	ㄨ	ㄛ	ㄩ	ㄝ	ㄞ	ㄟ	ㄠ	ㄡ	ㄢ	ㄣ	ㄤ	ㄥ	ㄦ
漢語拼音	a	e	i	u	o	ü	ê	ai	ei	ao	ou	an	en	ang	eng, -ng	er,r
IPA	style="font-family:Template:IPA fonts,sans-serif"|a	style="font-family:Template:IPA fonts,sans-serif"|ɤ	style="font-family:Template:IPA fonts,sans-serif"|i	style="font-family:Template:IPA fonts,sans-serif"|u	style="font-family:Template:IPA fonts,sans-serif"|o	style="font-family:Template:IPA fonts,sans-serif"|y	style="font-family:Template:IPA fonts,sans-serif"|e	style="font-family:Template:IPA fonts,sans-serif"|aɪ	style="font-family:Template:IPA fonts,sans-serif"|eɪ	style="font-family:Template:IPA fonts,sans-serif"|aʊ	style="font-family:Template:IPA fonts,sans-serif"|oʊ	style="font-family:Template:IPA fonts,sans-serif"|an	style="font-family:Template:IPA fonts,sans-serif"|ən	style="font-family:Template:IPA fonts,sans-serif"|ɑŋ	style="font-family:Template:IPA fonts,sans-serif"|ɤŋ, ŋ	style="font-family:Template:IPA fonts,sans-serif"|ɚ, r
由来	丫

Wikipedia:社区门荡#Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser

Hello,

a very powerfull tool is now available: en:Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser

This tool makes you able to easyly convert traditionnals to simplified characters, without using HerculeBot.

Go to Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser to register yourself and start using it （sysops don't need to be registered）

Regards

---Hercule ^Talk 2009年1月23日 （礼拜五） 22:53 （UTC）

2009 CNY is here

just watch the counter grow !! I think this year we will get to 8000 吴语 articles.

大西洋鲑 2009年1月24日 （礼拜六） 05:38 （UTC）

sort order

Hi,
have a look at this category, i think articles are already sorted by radicals. I personally do not like that order but its the default. I think if you would like to sort by English alphabetical order you got to add meta tags or something.

Ask Hercule to help you or go to ZH wiki new users question page if he can not help you.

大西洋鲑‎ 2009年1月27日 （礼拜两） 01:00 （UTC）

Cyrillic

Well, I think that's probably the case, actually I remember telling you a couple of weeks ago Thai letter set can represent most （if not all） of the sounds in Wu even better. Perhaps we can add a subset of Khmer letter for betterment. Why not give it a go ? At least they are all Asian !!??

The verdict is if we live in 1960s, there is a better chance of using Cyrillic, at least Russian language was prefered skill for young pple to acquire at that time. but now all the （known） resources use latin letter based system （inc. Vietnamese and that infamous pin-yin） - too hard and too late to make any change

How good is a system that beats everything else, but nobody was able to teach ?? Fine, if you just want to research. I still wanted to learn Zhu-yin, because I thought one day I might get a job teaching in a KMT school in north thailand, so I am thinking "politically" after all . . .

大西洋鲑 2009年1月27日 （礼拜两） 07:22 （UTC）

unique in Wu

have a look in here :

仂到
伲
侬
侪
勘勘 is that enough to start with ???

Qiongshan‎ （論·獻·查）

I will block him for 1 day. Please leave him an explaination message （if it's in wuu could you translate it on my talk page?）.

Regards

--Hercule ^Talk 2009年1月29日 （礼拜四） 21:53 （UTC）

Take care on your edit comments. Don't insult him, whatever he can do. Regards --Hercule ^Talk 2009年1月29日 (礼拜四) 21:56 (UTC)

文读 and 白读

Obviously you care about the pronunciation, this article can

be good starting point for ya research, I think in japanese also has the same topic, which they call 训读 and 音读. Thai alos have it but I do not know any example.

in case of 月球, since it is a scientific word, I intend to go for 文读。。。 but i can be wrong.

Salmonbot 2009年2月2日 （礼拜一） 09:40 （UTC）

Hanzi Primer for all dialects

Wenyanwen	Wu	mandarin	hakka	cantonese	min-nan	gan	xiang	picture or video	Wiktionary	English
火	火	火	火	火	火	火	火		wikt:	Fire
月	月球	月球	[[]]	[[]]	[[]]	[[]]	[[]]		wikt:	Moon
山	[[]]	[[]]	[[]]	[[]]	[[]]	[[]]	[[]]		wikt:	Mountain
水	水	水	水	水	水	水	水		wikt:	Water
雨	雨	雨	雨	雨	雨	雨	雨		wikt:	Rain
樹	樹	樹	樹	樹	樹	樹	樹		wikt:	tree
田	[[	[[	[[			[[	[[		wikt:	rice field
[[	[[	[[	[[	[[	[[				wikt:	Man
[[	[[	[[	[[	[[	[[				wikt:	Woman
[[	[[	[[	[[	[[	[[				wikt:	Mother
[[]]	[[	眼	[[	[[	[[				wikt:	Eye
[[	[[	[[	[[	[[	[[				wikt:	Cow
[[	[[	[[	[[	[[	[[				wikt:	Goat
馬	馬	馬	馬	馬	馬	馬	馬		wikt:	Horse
[[	[[	鳥	[[	雀	[[	[[	[[		wikt:	Bird
龜	龜	龜	龜	龜	龜	龜	龜		wikt:	Turtle
龍	龍	龍	龍	龍	龍	龍	龍		wikt:	Chinese Dragon
[[]]	[[]]	[[]]	[[]]	[[]]	[[]]	[[]]	[[]]	[[]]	wikt:	Chinese Phoenix
日	太阳	太阳	[[]]	[[]]	[[]]	[[]]	[[]]		wikt:	sun
饢	饢	饢	饢	饢	饢	饢	饢		wikt:	Naan bread
金	金	金	金	金	金	金	金		wikt:	gold
銀	銀	銀	銀	銀	銀	銀	銀		wikt:	silver
王	王	王	王	王	王	王	王		wikt:	king
玉	玉	玉	玉	玉	玉	玉	玉		wikt:	jade
茶	茶	茶	茶	茶	茶	茶	茶		wikt:	tea
稻	稻	稻	稻	稻	稻	稻	稻		wikt:	rice
糖	[[]]	食糖	糖	[[]]	[[]]	[[]]	[[]]		wikt:	sugar
天	[[]]	天空	天	天	[[]]	[[]]	[[]]		wikt:	sky
鐵	鐵	鐵	鐵	[[]]	[[]]	[[]]	[[]]		wikt:	iron
口	[[]]	口腔	口	口	[[]]	[[]]	[[]]		wikt:	mouth
[[]]	[[]]	红色	[[]]	紅	[[]]	[[]]	[[]]		wikt:	red
[[]]	[[]]	圆	[[]]	[[]]	[[]]	[[]]	[[]]		wikt:	circle
[[]]	[[]]	圖書	[[]]	書	[[]]	[[]]	[[]]		wikt:	book
子	[[]]	儿童	[[]]	[[]]	[[]]	[[]]	[[]]		wikt:	child
[[]]	[[]]	蛤蜊	[[]]	蜆	[[]]	[[]]	[[]]		wikt:	clam
橙	橙	橙	橙	橙	橙	橙	橙		wikt:	orange
橘	橘	橘	橘	橘	橘	橘	橘		wikt:	mandarin orange
冰	冰	冰	冰	冰	冰	冰	冰		wikt:	ice
沙	沙	沙	沙	沙	沙	沙	沙		wikt:	sand
西	西	西	西	西	西	西	西		wikt:	west
北	北	北	北	北	北	北	北		wikt:	north
東	東	東	東	東	東	東	東		wikt:	east
南	南	南	南	南	南	南	南		wikt:	south
花	花	花	花	花	花	花	花		wikt:	flower
屎	屎	糞便	[[]]	屎	[[]]	[[]]	[[]]		wikt:	feces
犬	犬	犬	犬	狗	犬	犬	犬		wikt:	dog
貓	貓	貓	貓	貓	貓	貓	貓		wikt:	cat
[[]]	[[]]	鱼	[[]]	[[]]	[[]]	[[]]	[[]]		wikt:	fish
梨	梨	梨	梨	梨	梨	梨	梨		wikt:	pear
刀	小刀	小刀	小刀	小刀	小刀	小刀	小刀		wikt:	knife
窗	囧	囧冏	囧	囧	囧	囧	囧		wikt:	window
木	木	木材	木	木	木	木	木		wikt:	wood
上	上	上	上	上	上	上	上	↑	wikt:	high
刃	刃	刃	刃	刃	刃	刃	刃		wikt:	blade
門	門	門	門	門	門	門	門		wikt:	high
蔥	蔥	蔥	蔥	蔥	蔥	蔥	蔥		wikt:	scallion
油	油	油	油	油	油	油	油		wikt:	oil
餅	餅	餅	餅	餅	餅	餅	餅		wikt:	flatbread
[[]]	奶	牛奶	奶	[[]]	[[]]	[[]]	[[]]		wikt:	milk
[[]]	[[]]	乾酪	[[]]	芝士	[[]]	[[]]	[[]]		wikt:	cheese
籠	籠	籠	籠	籠	籠	籠	籠		wikt:	cage
竹	竹	竹	竹	竹	竹	竹	竹		wikt:	bamboo
鍋	鍋	鍋	鍋	鍋	鍋	鍋	鍋		wikt:	cooking utensils
鰻	鰻	鰻	鰻	鰻	鰻	鰻	鰻		wikt:	eel
電	電	電	電	電	電	電	電		wikt:	electricity
人	人	人	[[]]	[[]]	儂	[[]]	[[]]		wikt:	person

下↓

Wenyanwen	Wu	mandarin	hakka	cantonese	min-nan	gan	xiang	picture or video	Wiktionary	English
我	我	我	我	我	我	我	我		wikt:	I
[[]]	儂	你	[[]]	[[]]	[[]]	[[]]	[[]]		wikt:	you

锅 鍋

锅

鍋

About Devnagari input system

Namaste! I had installed the system in the South Asian wikipedias. You can do it with some changes in monobook.js . Please check the monobook.js and translit.js there. Also, I want to learn how you installed the multi-script system in Chinese wikipedia （traditional and other scripts）. Thanks.--Eukesh

Did you tried AWB

Hello,

you requested to able to use WP:AWB. Did you tried it.

What is your opinion about this tool?

--Hercule ^Talk 2009年2月3日 （礼拜两） 15:44 （UTC）

mandarin or/and cantonese equivalent

• if you want to know equivalent characters, i think they should be the same, open an account in chinese, paste in these character in one of your own page, then use the JTZ / FTZ button at the top of screen to view. you can even set region （China mainland, HKG, Singapore, Taiwan etc. etc.） if you wish.

  after all, 3 are the same language, only spoken differently

  大西洋鲑 2009年2月6日 （礼拜五） 00:01 （UTC）

University of Shanghai

• Hi, 上海大学 is the best university in Shanghai, its chinese department is headed by Professon 钱乃荣. perhaps he accepts graduate students on the Internet. give them a call and good luck 。 。 。

What do you think about universities in Malaysia  ?

• Do you know any one from there ? I want to know the job prospect for graduates in western countries.

  大西洋鲑 2009年2月8日 （礼拜天） 07:47 （UTC）

Google Translate

Hi,
Just finished the 4th Google translated article. I think the quality is quite acceptable if articles are translated from simple English rather than common mature English （currently there are 51,000 simple English articles）.

Yeah, the issues of You / Him / Her still exists we need to do a visual check before running translate programme; and spend some time to do the editing afterwards; that's common sense

大西洋鲑 2009年2月20日 （礼拜五） 02:04 （UTC）

Our admin will not be with us for one month, he demands we add this tag : {{ Translated page | language code | original article name }} at top of a page 。 。 。

nevermind, you dont have email enabled, can you sign up for it?

Do you think the best thing is go make a gmail account which we both can access ?

simplified wuu

have you hit into problems when the simplified characters had radicals deliberately changed to indicated

I totally agree, simplified char. is bad in so many ways （like tean-age pregnancy）, i just do not know where to start and how to start so i certainly appreciate your try.

to me, its a bit too late, somebody raised many more questions than you 20 years ago; i wish the situation was never allowed to continue till today .

大西洋鲑 2009年2月25日 （礼拜三） 04:40 （UTC）

simplifying wuu

I think now the title had become more appropriate like this. you can say all chinese need 2 use letters like thai and korean and japanese （most times they use katakana） do. what we need is a good missionary to understand the language well, then invent something based on min-nan or vietnamese or thai. In VN they spent long time trying to learn chinese but only a few can do well, then the war. a few years of french rule, then kanji is history. today lots of 8 year old VN boys and girls write （with hand） beautiful scripts blah blah.

my opinion is that if you eventually become that missionary. you have my vote. if you can revolutionize cantonese language as well, you get my double vote. , but i am too old. kanjis are not quick & easy to learn but i have done the learning, and have not problem reading （if articles are not too difficult to understand）. so thank you very much.

if a trend can be started outside of china, and bring some meaningful influence, good indeed, i will love it / start learning it.

大西洋鲑 2009年2月25日 （礼拜三） 09:45 （UTC）

Hanzi / Kanji list

Hi,
how do you think about this list, the first column is in Wu, second mandarin and third English; I can add more into the list if that helps your robot development.

& just curious, where is that 词堂 at the right -- you home ??

阿拉斯加鲑 2009年3月8日 （礼拜天） 09:36 （UTC）

Altar

Yes, they are so expensive, at least you once thought about about doing it at home, I never did. I just went to one near my home - its free.

About, kanjis, yes, there is one-2-one mapping between traditional char. and simplified char. // either mandarin or Wuu.

You may copy every character under this category heading, past them into your mandarin user talk page, then hit these buttons : 简体 // 繁體 // 大陆简体 // 港澳繁體. whawlar ! You get all of them converted in no time, NO NEED TO WRITE PROGRAMME.

However, once you decide to write a conversion program, you got to be careful; & make sure :

traditional Wuu → siplified Wuu

traditional mandarin → siplified Wuu

siplified mandarin → siplified Wuu

just sharing some thoughts : right now I am thinking it is better to make an english → Wuu conversion programme !! 阿拉斯加鲑2009年3月10日 （礼拜两） 08:00 （UTC）

xiang ??

good to know that you are still interested in it !!

it was totally interesting to me that you think i can contribute anything to this wiki.

actually i had a nanny at the age of 5 to 6. she is from Hunan province, ate spicy foods and speak with an accent. -- that's all about know about it. yeah - actually i have climbed a moutain of Hunan, forgot about the name but its 200 kilometres south of ChangSha. and i did not speak to food vendors, some one in our group did so i missed the only other chance as well.

I remember saying the only person who can write anything in xiang is mao tse tung but he is history hahaha !!

梦工厂 2009年3月24日 （礼拜两） 02:05 （UTC）

contribute ??

I can figure out that is mandarin rules ! NO DIFFERENCE ! or perhaps one day i may ask a child of my nanny （can not meet her again, she passed away） - then i will go there to make some "contribution" - ok !!

now i think i need to take back what i believed b4, only Mao Tse Tung may contribute to xiang !! but without any difference to mandarin, what is the point of starting a new wiki then ???

梦工厂 2009年3月25日 （礼拜三） 01:44 （UTC）